Sunday, October 12, 2008

Incite or insight?


“We know that in the war, it’s terrorists, terrorists who hate America and her allies and would seek to destroy us, and the bad guys are those who would support and sympathize with the terrorists,” she said. “They do not like America because of what we stand for. Liberty. Freedom. Equal rights. Those who sympathize and support those terrorists who would seek to destroy all that it is that we value, those are the bad guys, OK?”— Sarah Palin warned the audience about the threat of terrorism, and explained that the Republican ticket should be elected because “we know who the bad guys are.”

I gave McCain credit for taking a hit on friday in Minnesota and trying to move his campaign away from the "Obama as Terrorist" path to the gutter. It didn't last long.

10 comments:

Mike Schmitt said...

I've been on the sideline on this one too long.... What is the deal with Ayers? Why won't he address this issue?

Do you think it is OK to find oneself on the same side as Ayers?

If you were his buddy, I'd really have to question your beliefs. To me this is a clear example of how "left" Obama is.

I feel that Ayers is a terrorist, I believe he was 100% wrong in promoting violence for a cause. I believe he is a small "c" communist.

I also think Obama and Ayers were friends and shared many common beliefs.

I also think Obama like Ayers is a socialist, and a small "c" commie. This is evident in everything he promotes.

Are you OK with this person leading the USA.... A country founded on individualism.

Are we changing as a nation? Is this OK with you?

I for one, get sick, physically sick to see this nation move toward socialism.... I think Obama is a great person, I actually think he would be a great leader in another country (in Europe). He is not right for the USA, unless the USA is changing direction.

Bruce said...

sometimes I can't tell when you are joking, Mike. If you are, then so be it. I'll laugh.

If not, then, is this all you can come up with? Ayers and Obama were appointed to the same board in Chicago to help inner city schools, for a period of 6 months. Obama later quit the board. That is their ONLY connection. Call it socialist if you like, that's your right. But there is no terrorist conecton here. You THINK they were friends. Where is your proof? Obama committed no crime. He was 8 at the time of Ayers' bombings.

If you really want to talk about terrorist sympathizers, look no further than Sarah Palin. She's married to one. Todd Palin was part of the Alaska Independance Party, as in Secession from the Union, you know what i'm talkin' about ;), The Civil War and all that. Joe Volger is the founding member and I quote,"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." She gave a speech to the party's convention THIS YEAR!
McCain-Palin, Alaska First!

Sarah's Speech

Jim said...

Uh, if we're going to compare political extremists, I am unaware of the AIP resorting to direct action. Maybe I've missed their bombing of the Alaska Pipeline or something.

Look, here's the real lesson of the Ayers story: Obama has never, ever challenged the political establishment that he wants to be a part of.

Don't know if that's a reason to vote against him, but you have to admit it's true. Anywhere else in the Midwest, Ayers would be persona non grata. But because he lives in Hyde Park (Obama's liberal state senate district), Ayers is a valued, vaguely kooky member of the community. Sit on a board with an unrepentant terrorist? Fine with me, Obama said. And well he should, considering that Obama was desiring to be a member of that community.

But we shouldn't be surprised if it raises questions in the rest of the country.

Mike Schmitt said...

The connection is irrelevent. My point was more to the US changing to the socialist side.

From your post, can I assume you're OK with the "changing" of our nation to a more "brother's keeper" nation.

I'm for anyone who can provide equal opportunity and protection of my individual rights. I'm not for equality and community rights. Obama is not for me, he's for us, and that is scary.

Bruce said...

Again, the Ayers/Obama connection is also irrelevent. I made the Palin/AIP comparison to prove the point.

Just as I don't believe that Sarah Palin wants Alaska to secede from the Union, I don't beleive Obama wants to blow up the Pentagon.

And to answer your question, yes, a little of "my brother's keeper" mentality in this country would do us some good.

Bruce said...

And as an aside, Palin also never challenged the political establishment, she just violated ethics laws and remade the establishment in her own image.

Jim said...

Palin actually did challenge her political establishment. Those who brought her along the Alaska political establishment, she pretty well threw under the bus.

Nevertheless, Bruce, at some point you'll have to acknowledge that Obama is going to win (and win big). The faults of McCain or Palin will be more or less irrelevant and Obama's past will be brought (for better or for worse) front and center.

RET said...

While this was not the original direction of the post...I am happy to join in. Mike's point is definitely worth discussing. I think thats the major difference between Bruce/I and Jim/Mike.

I believe the Ayers connection is a relevant point for discussion but not distortion which the McCain camp is currently practicing. Jim is basically correct. Ayers is a major political figure in Chicago democratic politics and thus Obama and he had several interactions. he spoke about this at the Clinton/Obama/abcnews debate in March.

However, lets remember when Ayers actions took place. It was at a time that this country took a major directional change, like Mike's different concern, where the executive branch was doing things SOME believe were illegal. I am not justifying the Weatherman's actions.

Ayers has since played a positive role, from the left perspective, in Chicago. The fact that he does not denounce his actions, which he was not convicted for, is horrible. But he believes the way our government acted in that era justified it. Obama has denounced those actions.

That affiliation does not mean Obama supports terrorism.

Mike Schmitt said...

More to the point, I think we need to get rid of the primaries.

We put all the candidates on the ballot, let everyone vote...

Then take the top 2 and have a runoff. They don't even have to be of a different party...

Appealing to a "base" has ruined politics. We no longer appeal to the truth.

I agree that Rich/Bruce are left of center and Jim/myself are right of center, but I think we all want to do what’s best for the nation without compromising personal responsibility and individual rights….

I think the two-party system has moved use to use vs. them, rather that all of us to solve a problem…

IT MAKES ME SICK TO WATCH POLITICS!!!

RET said...

"Let me now...warn you...against the harmful effects of the spirit of party...This spirit, unfortunately...exists in different shapes in all governments...but in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest tankness and is truly their worst enemy." - George Washington